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Cleaning Up the Nation
Austin Bay:
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Fallujah Fonda
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John Pilger: Partner in Terrorism
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A Complaint from Iran
Steven Den Beste has been doing some cold, Jacksonian calculating about what it would take for the US to go nuclear in this war, and what the consequences may be. A guy (?) from Tehran later wrote Den Beste that it all seems to much like an American "final solution." I understand the concern, or horror, even, but I believe Den Beste's response is correct (as I frequently do). Anyway there was something about the letter that caught my eye. Here are a few lines:
How many people are you willing to see killed and still view yourself as a force for Good? How much torture are you going to tolerate in the interest of some anticipated favorable future outcome?
The first question concerns American action. The point is that people are being killed now in the war, and many more may die later. How many is too much for us?
The second question concerns American inaction. How much torture and killing from third parties is too much for us, presumably before we do something about it?
Here we have the two of the main complaints against the US: damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
I'd like to know from such people what exactly they'd like the US to do about the average horrible dictatorship. Taking them out with our military, or supporting militant rebels seems to be off the table because that would require killing, and imperialism, and US hegemony and all those bad things. Leaving them be also seems to be off the table because that requires some level of support, tacit or active, for rights violations, torture, and murder and all of those bad things.
Previously, during the cold war, we decided between those two options based on the left/right leanings of the dictatorship. But that's no longer a meaningful measure.
About the US level of support for dictatorships, I don't think that there is a place on the spectrum between total economic sanction and military containment on one hand (think pre-war Iraq), and total economic engagement and military support on the other (think Egypt) that would satisfy everyone. Regarding a dictatorship somewhere in the middle, like Zimbabwe, the calls for us to turn up the heat seem to dominate. There won't be a position on this spectrum that everyone will agree upon for a particular dictatorship. Rather we can only balance between those demanding that we be more harsh and those demanding more engagement.
Peaceful engagement would seem a good way of resolving these issues. It involves diplomatic pressure, economic incentives, cultural exchanges and the like. But this takes decades if it works at all, and there's an awful lot of torture and killing going on in the meantime. Look at China, and the complaints about our relationship with it.
Which horrible dictatorship has the US handled best? If someone complaining about the US doing too little or too much could answer that question, maybe we could adapt our policies to other countries using the same principles.
While of course US foreign policy could stand some improvement, I think the central issue here is America's hyperpower status. In places where the political and economic situations are far from good, it's easy to see US sins, whether sins of commision or sins of ommission, as being the primary cause of that misery. That's why I don't expect any serious answers to any of these questions. If the US had the perfect attitude towards such dictatorships, then no one could complain about it. Perfection not being available on this planet, there will always be some US failure to point to.
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Actually, I don't believe the letter addresses American inaction at all. The person in Tehran is talking about the torture the American government condones in its ongoing war against terrorism.
You can bet your boots that the CIA and special forces agents operating in areas that are similar to Al Qaeda/Taliban controlled zones have no qualms about torturing a captured terrorist to get important information out of them.
I believe the Tehran letter writer is frowning upon our governments use of torture in certain situations.
Richard: You may be right. The letter is a bit vague about who's doing the killing and torturing, using the passive voice as it does. Ironically, I was concerned that maybe both the killing and torturing were supposed to be by third parties, thus calling into question my calling the writer on his complaints about American inaction. Maybe he'll follow the link from Den Beste to here and let us know what he meant.
He may ruin my quoting him as an example of the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" criticism of US foreign policy, but I do think my points still stand as a legitimate criticism of criticism in general. Anyway, arguments are welcome.
I think we should adopt the perfect foreign policy so that no one would complain about it.
The only problem is that still wouldn't resolve what to do about terrorist death cults and psycopathic mass murdering dictators.
Al Qaeda never said they would rescind their declaration of war on all Americans and Jews if we perfected our foreign policy. They offered death or submission.
Sadam never offerd full and unconditional compliance with the UN resolutions and disarming on the basis of a perfect US foreign policy. In any event, the UN set the terms of compliance- full and unconditional.
I would prefer living without submission and could accept an imperfect foreign policy if need be to do so. I would be very likely to vote accordingly.
This is a serious answer.
If I correctly read the Bush policy, we are aiming to take out regimes that have or could soon have WMD and which are too crazy to be deterred by MAD or might try to hand off to terrorists and gain plausible deniability. This is the Jacksonian aspect. At the same time, we are aiming to infiltrate freedom into said toppled-regime nations in hopes of affecting neighbors via osmosis. This is the Wilsonian aspect. The Jacksonian/Wilsonian combination policy strikes me as extremely rare if not unprecedented; realpolitik + idealism.
Offtopic, but goodness gracious, the little animated box for the articles is the worst blog designed I've encountered. Don't mean to insult, but damn, it's really bad.
Anyways, the Iranian seems to be one of the many people in the world who don't believe in nationalism or national self interest. (quote : "No hiding behind an abstract idea of a country this time. ").
The Iranian in this case needs to understand that countries are not abstract ideas but well established realities that are not going away anytime soon. And as a country, we have our self interests and they have their own. It's in our self interest to defend ourselves to survive, and our self interest is valued more that theirs. That America is a generous nation and doesn't abuse this is a sign of our respect for our responsibility as the sole super power.
Dean: that's a really interesting thought. Jackson+Wilson=Bush.
ElCapitan: I'm not insulted. It's a love it or hate it design. It's just an experiment and I'm not married to it. I'll probably ditch it at some point for a standard blog layout.
Back on topic, I did notice the line that you quote. Makes me wonder how representative of Iran the writer is. Not that it matters as far as his questions are concerned.
Rev: Hey, I'm with you.
I'd agree with El Captino America about the blog design. If you're not using MSIE you're shit out of luck.
Can't add too much to the discussion. I'm very Jacksonian, despite being an Aussie.
Brian - just came across your site via Den Beste. I plan on visiting regularly. Do us a favor. Whatever you do DON'T go with a standard blog layout. It would be way too boring.
Anyway, back on topic, I'd be interested to see an intelligent discussion on likely scenarios that would warrant a US nuclear strike (either preemptive or retaliatory). Also, just for kicks, I'd be interested in anyone's opinions on likely reactions, especially from other nuclear powers.
Personally, I can't envision a likely scenario. Maybe I lack imagination, I dunno. It seems to me that conventional means are sufficient for both preemption and retaliation, in any scenario I can imagine. In his Three Conjectures blog entry, Den Beste describes American nuclear saturation strikes in retaliation to an attack. On this point, I disagree. I agree that there would (and should be) saturation attacks by the US, but they would not necessarily have to be nuclear to be effective.
Anyway, I'd be interested to know what you or anyone else might think...
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