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There's some kind of internetty bitch-slap-fest thing going on between Jonah Goldberg and Juan Cole. Currently I am not in possession of the patience required to find out what exactly it's all about and to paraphrase it here. But I did take note of this exclusionary passage from Juan Cole's Informed Consent blog:
I think it is time to be frank about some things. Jonah Goldberg knows absolutely nothing about Iraq. I wonder if he has even ever read a single book on Iraq, much less written one. He knows no Arabic. He has never lived in an Arab country. He can't read Iraqi newspapers or those of Iraq's neighbors. He knows nothing whatsoever about Shiite Islam, the branch of the religion to which a majority of Iraqis adheres. Why should we pretend that Jonah Goldberg's opinion on the significance and nature of the elections in Iraq last Sunday matters? It does not.
Granting for a moment that all of those statements about Jonah's experience with all things Iraqi is true, what does Juan's ruleset say about your and my participation in the debate and continuing discussion about Iraq? All of Juan's caveats apply to me, and odds are they apply to you too; our opinions don't matter.
Looking at Cole's CV, he lays out there every skill and experience that he blasts Jonah for not having. That's not surprising of course. That's how Cole came up with the list. Notice how he doesn't complain that Goldberg isn't an Iraqi living in Iraq.
Not to diminish the value of such skills and experience, but in a discussion between academics and the lay public, or the lay punditry, if you will, it's rather counter-productive for the academic to use his CV to make his arguments. We should and must value the contributions and opinions of experts in any field, but where public opinion and public policy are concerned, we should be encouraging discussion of as wide a segment of the people as possible. For an expert to say I'm right and you're wrong because I'm an expert and your opinion doesn't count is not conducive to the open discussion required by democracy.
David Neiwert has something which he bombastically refers to as Orcinus Principium No. 1, which, while the target is conservatives, has as its aim keeping the American debate as wide and as open as possible:
In a democracy, we are best served by having an open and lively debate on the direction we take as a nation. This does not change in wartime. Indeed, in a war such as this one, where our democratic institutions are being directly challenged by right-wing religious fanatics, it is even more important to preserve the right to speak freely.
I don't believe that Juan Cole's credentialism serves that aim, though I rather strongly suspect that Neiwert would claim that it doesn't apply here.
Taking Cole's CV argument to its logical extreme we'd of course have this country run by that panel of learned scientists and other academics that you always see in science fiction movies of the 1950's. So empaneled, he could argue with his fellow experts about this detail or that of national policy and laugh a condescending laugh when one of the little people says something uneducated and stupid. Don't worry, we experts know what we're doing- go back to your public entertainments. We provided the holo-vision for you.
But public policy, what it means to be an American, what the US stands for, and what US goals are are not things we leave to experts alone. With input from experts, we debate them, raucously and continually. Being an expert does not give you the ability to exclude others. And to decide these matters we fight it out in the political realm, where being an expert doesn't get you any additonal votes.
Update: The left side of the blogosphere is really into this story. Commenting are The Mahablog, James Wolcott, Just a Bump in the Beltway, and Happy Puppy Furry Story Time. From the non-left we have Chrenkoff, Mansfield Fox, and justbarkingmad.com.
Update: Goldberg posts a lengthy response:
As I've conceded more than once now, he knows more about the Middle East. And, frankly, he seems like precisely the kind of boarding-school rector with a God complex who'd try to win by subjecting me to a withering quiz about how many Shiite clerics I can name or how the Aswan dam was funded.
This raises the central point he is trying bury: The fundamental issue I raised in my column was not about the extent of his knowledge but the quality of his judgment. And on that question I am hardly alone in thinking that Cole's judgment is often laughable....
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Juan Cole specifically did NOT say that only experts should have opinions, or that only experts should have something to say. You have to read through the whole exchange to get the context properly. In a nutshell, Cole said X, X being a particular matter of record. Then Goldberg said no, X is not true, Y is true, and threw in some insults of Cole and castigated his expertise. Then Cole responded by explaining why X was true, and threw in the part about how he speaks Arabic and is a Middle East expert, etc. etc., whereas Goldberg has probably never even read an entire book about the Middle East in his life.
I'd like to add that open discussion is great, and I'm sure Professor Cole agrees with me. But when people doing the discussing are ignorant of facts, there's a problem. And so it's nice to have experts to refer to, in order to straighten out the facts.
maha, I appreciate that. But in the article I linked to, Cole leads with his attack on Goldberg's credentials. Perhaps I shouldn't assume that that indicates that Cole thinks that this is the most important line of argument. I don't know.
If your original X refers to Cole's stating that the 1997 Iranian elections were more democratic than the just-completed Iraqi elections, then there's some difficulty. In some ways, this is as bogus an issue as the "are we more or less safe now that Saddam is arrested" question. Things are usually more complex than simple yes or no's. It would be difficult and arbitrary to rate these issues on a scale of 1 to 100.
Both the Iraqi election and all recent Iranian elections are flawed in serious, though very different ways. We wouldn't stand for either in the US. But to say that one is better or more democratic than the other is slightly bizarre. There is sufficient room for interpretation in any such judgment that one's own political proclivities could completely take over. I think we see this here. To the extent that this is true, Cole's citing his expert status to attack Goldberg is somewhat irrelevent.
The problem with Juan Cole is that after speaking of his impressive credentials...and they are impressive regarding Shi'ia and that region...is that he follows it with commentary that is not, shall we say, field specific.
For example, Cole has made use of the intellectually dishonest ChickenHawk argument:
Goldberg helped send nearly 1500 brave Americans to their deaths and helped maim over 10,000, not to mention all the innocent Iraqi civilians he helped get killed. He helped dragoon 140,000 US troops in Iraq. And he does not have the courage of his convictions. His excuse is that he couldn't afford to take the pay cut!
Once Cole strays from the intricacies of Shi'ia religion and politics his expertise is no more than that of the next man or woman. I have constantly excoriated Cole exactly because his academic credentials are used to bludgeon the opposition with. Such as his statement that "An elective war is always a mistake."
Exactly what in his studies of Shi'ia qualifies him to make such statements, and what in his academic background demands that we accept them at face value?
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You remind me of an NBA referee. The 1st punch was thrown by Goldberg - but you choose to ignore that little fact. Goldberg could have apologized. He should have apologized. Nope - JG fires off more stupid insults. Get with the program before you defend this hack.
One of Cole's main points that Goldberg may never even have read a single book about Iraq. Goldberg could easily have refuted that, but failed to. Cole also pointed out that Goldberg talked about the 1997 Iran election, but actually knew nothing about it.
Your own lack of curiosity about the actual facts sort of puts you in the Goldberg know-nothing category, but there's another point -- Goldberg makes his living doing this stuff, so he's less forgivable than you are as an average citizen.
John, there's quite some distance between calling an expert on his statement that the opinions of people who don't meet his standards of expertise don't count and championing know-nothingism.
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